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Move on Muon : A Hamiltonian probability gradient flow perspective of Muon optimizer
Mustafi, Aratrika, Mukherjee, Soumya, Sriperumbudur, Bharath K.
We develop a gradient flow on the space of probability measures defined on matrix-valued parameters induced by regularized Muon, an analytically smoothed version of the idealized Muon optimizer. The key observation is that the regularized orthogonalization map is the gradient of a smooth Fenchel-dual smoothing of the nuclear norm. This identifies the (regularized) Muon update as a mirror/prox step in the update variable, with momentum acting as the dual coordinate. We use this structure to lift Muon from a single matrix parameter to finite-particle probability objectives of the form $J(ฯ)=R\left(\int F d ฯ\right)$, a setting motivated by mean-field descriptions of neural-network training, and derive the inertial continuous-time limit. Using this structure, we derive the finite-particle continuous-time limit under the inertial scaling of step size and momentum, and then pass to a phase-space mean-field equation over probability laws on parameter-momentum pairs. The resulting flow can be shown to be a damped Hamiltonian probability dynamics whose kinetic energy is induced by the regularized Muon mirror potential. We prove an exact Hamiltonian dissipation identity, showing that the Hamiltonian energy decreases monotonically. While the target objective itself need not be monotone along the inertial Muon dynamics, under additional gradient-dominance, bounded-momentum, and curvature/alignment assumptions, we obtain continuous and discrete-time exponential convergence rates for the objective gap. We also study the well-posedness of the mean-field limit equation and establish propagation of chaos guarantees for the interacting particle system. Finally, we extend the formulation to Hilbert-valued feature maps on product matrix spaces, yielding a blockwise Muon probability flow applicable to smooth transformer mixture-of-experts models.
Ringmaster LMO: Asynchronous Linear Minimization Oracle Momentum Method
Sadiev, Abdurakhmon, Maranjyan, Artavazd, Ilin, Ivan, Richtรกrik, Peter
Muon has recently emerged as a strong alternative to AdamW for training neural networks, with encouraging large-scale pretraining results and growing evidence that matrix-structured updates can be faster in practice. Yet Muon, and more generally Linear Minimization Oracle (LMO) based methods, are typically used synchronously. This is problematic in heterogeneous distributed systems, where workers complete gradient computations at different speeds and synchronous training must repeatedly wait for slower workers. In this work, we introduce Ringmaster LMO, an asynchronous LMO-based momentum method for unconstrained stochastic nonconvex optimization. Our method builds on the delay-thresholding idea of Ringmaster ASGD. For SGD-type methods, Ringmaster ASGD achieves optimal time complexity by discarding overly stale gradients. Ringmaster LMO extends this mechanism to general LMO-based updates. We establish convergence guarantees under generalized $(L_0, L_1)$-smoothness and further develop a parameter-agnostic variant with decreasing stepsizes and adaptive delay thresholds. Finally, we translate our iteration guarantees into time complexity bounds under heterogeneous worker computation times. In the classical Euclidean smooth setting, these bounds recover the optimal time complexity of Ringmaster ASGD. Experiments on stochastic quadratic problems and NanoChat language-model pretraining show that the advantages of Ringmaster LMO grow with system heterogeneity and that the method outperforms strong synchronous and asynchronous baselines.
Muon is Not That Special: Random or Inverted Spectra Work Just as Well
Shumaylov, Zakhar, Da Costa, Nathaรซl, Zaika, Peter, Mucsรกnyi, Bรกlint, Massucco, Alex, Gelberg, Yoav, Schรถnlieb, Carola-Bibiane, Gal, Yarin, Hennig, Philipp
The recent empirical success of the Muon optimizer has renewed interest in non-Euclidean optimization, typically justified by similarities with second-order methods, and linear minimization oracle (LMO) theory. In this paper, we challenge this geometric narrative through three contributions, demonstrating that precise geometric structure is not the key factor affecting optimization performance. First, we introduce Freon, a family of optimizers based on Schatten (quasi-)norms, powered by a novel, provably optimal QDWH-based iterative approximation. Freon naturally interpolates between SGD and Muon, while smoothly extrapolating into the quasi-norm regime. Empirically, the best-performing Schatten parameters for GPT-2 lie strictly within the quasi-norm regime, and thus cannot be represented by any unitarily invariant LMO. Second, noting that Freon performs well across a wide range of exponents, we introduce Kaon, an absurd optimizer that replaces singular values with random noise. Despite lacking any coherent geometric structure, Kaon matches Muon's performance and retains classical convergence guarantees, proving that strict adherence to a precise geometry is practically irrelevant. Third, having shown that geometry is not the primary driver of performance, we demonstrate it is instead controlled by two local quantities: alignment and descent potential. Ultimately, each optimizer must tune its step size around these two quantities. While their dynamics are difficult to predict a-priori, evaluating them within a stochastic random feature model yields a precise insight: Muon succeeds not by tracking an ideal global geometry, but by guaranteeing step-size optimality.
Pion: A Spectrum-Preserving Optimizer via Orthogonal Equivalence Transformation
Shi, Kexuan, Li, Hanxuan, Qiu, Zeju, Wen, Yandong, Buchholz, Simon, Liu, Weiyang
We introduce Pion, a spectrum-preserving optimizer for large language model (LLM) training based on orthogonal equivalence transformation. Unlike additive optimizers such as Adam and Muon, Pion updates each weight matrix through left and right orthogonal transformations, preserving its singular values throughout training. This yields an optimization mechanism that modulates the geometry of weight matrices while keeping their spectral norm fixed. We derive the Pion update rule, systematically examine its design choices, and analyze its convergence behavior along with several key properties. Empirical results show that Pion offers a stable and competitive alternative to standard optimizers for both LLM pretraining and finetuning.
Muon Does Not Converge on Convex Lipschitz Functions
Parshakova, Tetiana, Khaled, Ahmed, Crawshaw, Michael, Garrigos, Guillaume, Gower, Robert M.
Muon and its variants have shown strong empirical performance in a variety of deep learning tasks. Existing convergence analyses of Muon rely on smoothness assumptions, though arguably the most successful function class for developing deep learning methods (such as AdaGrad, Shampoo, Schedule-Free and more) has been the class of convex and Lipschitz functions. In this paper we question whether the classical convex Lipschitz model is a useful one for understanding Muon. Our answer is no. We show that Muon does not converge on the class of convex and Lipschitz functions, regardless of the choice of learning rate schedule. We also show that error feedback restores convergence of Muon and all the non-Euclidean subgradient methods with momentum. However, this theoretical fix using error feedback degrades the performance of Muon in two representative settings for image classification (CIFAR-10) and language modeling (nanoGPT on FineWeb-Edu 10B). Our conclusion is that convex Lipschitz theory, despite having a prominent role in the design of practical methods for deep learning, is not the most suited one for Muon. This suggests that Muon's success must come from structure absent from this model, most plausibly related to smoothness.
Spectral Lens: Activation and Gradient Spectra as Diagnostics of LLM Optimization
Liu, Andy Zeyi, Paquette, Elliot, Sous, John
Training loss and throughput can hide distinct internal representation in language-model training. To examine these hidden mechanics, we use spectral measurements as practical and operational diagnostics. Using a controlled family of decoder-only models adapted from the modded NanoGPT codebase, we introduce an empirical protocol based on activation covariance and per-sample gradient SVD spectra. This dual-view reveals three empirical findings and one mechanistic explanation. First, batch size acts as a latent determinant of representation geometry: runs that reach equal loss settle into systematically distinct activation spectra. Second, the activation covariance tail measured early in training reliably forecasts downstream token efficiency. Third, movement of the activation spectrum head (leading modes), together with gradient spectra, characterizes underlying learning-dynamics changes, separating learning-side architectural improvements from primarily execution-side gains. These predictive and diagnostic signals persist across the 12-, 36-, and 48-layer model tiers. Finally, a mechanistic model proves the main observations and explains how activation covariance spectra correlate with task-aligned feature learning.
Sharp Capacity Scaling of Spectral Optimizers in Learning Associative Memory
Kim, Juno, Nichani, Eshaan, Wu, Denny, Bietti, Alberto, Lee, Jason D.
Spectral optimizers such as Muon have recently shown strong empirical performance in large-scale language model training, but the source and extent of their advantage remain poorly understood. We study this question through the linear associative memory problem, a tractable model for factual recall in transformer-based models. In particular, we go beyond orthogonal embeddings and consider Gaussian inputs and outputs, which allows the number of stored associations to greatly exceed the embedding dimension. Our main result sharply characterizes the recovery rates of one step of Muon and SGD on the logistic regression loss under a power law frequency distribution. We show that the storage capacity of Muon significantly exceeds that of SGD, and moreover Muon saturates at a larger critical batch size. We further analyze the multi-step dynamics under a thresholded gradient approximation and show that Muon achieves a substantially faster initial recovery rate than SGD, while both methods eventually converge to the information-theoretic limit at comparable speeds. Experiments on synthetic tasks validate the predicted scaling laws. Our analysis provides a quantitative understanding of the signal amplification of Muon and lays the groundwork for establishing scaling laws across more practical language modeling tasks and optimizers.
The Implicit Bias of Adam and Muon on Smooth Homogeneous Neural Networks
We study the implicit bias of momentum-based optimizers on homogeneous models. We first extend existing results on the implicit bias of steepest descent in homogeneous models to normalized steepest descent with an optional learning rate schedule. We then show that for smooth homogeneous models, momentum steepest descent algorithms like Muon (spectral norm), MomentumGD ($\ell_2$ norm), and Signum ($\ell_\infty$ norm) are approximate steepest descent trajectories under a decaying learning rate schedule, proving that these algorithms too have a bias towards KKT points of the corresponding margin maximization problem. We extend the analysis to Adam (without the stability constant), which maximizes the $\ell_\infty$ margin, and to Muon-Signum and Muon-Adam, which maximize a hybrid norm. Our experiments corroborate the theory and show that the identity of the margin maximized depends on the choice of optimizer. Overall, our results extend earlier lines of work on steepest descent in homogeneous models and momentum-based optimizers in linear models.
Muon in Associative Memory Learning: Training Dynamics and Scaling Laws
Li, Binghui, Wang, Kaifei, Zhong, Han, Lu, Pinyan, Wang, Liwei
Muon updates matrix parameters via the matrix sign of the gradient and has shown strong empirical gains, yet its dynamics and scaling behavior remain unclear in theory. We study Muon in a linear associative memory model with softmax retrieval and a hierarchical frequency spectrum over query-answer pairs, with and without label noise. In this setting, we show that Gradient Descent (GD) learns frequency components at highly imbalanced rates, leading to slow convergence bottlenecked by low-frequency components. In contrast, the Muon optimizer mitigates this imbalance, leading to faster and more uniform progress. Specifically, in the noiseless case, Muon achieves an exponential speedup over GD; in the noisy case with a power-decay frequency spectrum, we derive Muon's optimization scaling law and demonstrate its superior scaling efficiency over GD. Furthermore, we show that Muon can be interpreted as an implicit matrix preconditioner arising from adaptive task alignment and block-symmetric gradient structure. In contrast, the preconditioner with coordinate-wise sign operator could match Muon under oracle access to unknown task representations, which is infeasible for SignGD in practice. Experiments on synthetic long-tail classification and LLaMA-style pre-training corroborate the theory.
Convergence of Muon with Newton-Schulz
We analyze Muon as originally proposed and used in practice -- using the momentum orthogonalization with a few Newton-Schulz steps. The prior theoretical results replace this key step in Muon with an exact SVD-based polar factor. We prove that Muon with Newton-Schulz converges to a stationary point at the same rate as the SVD-polar idealization, up to a constant factor for a given number $q$ of Newton-Schulz steps. We further analyze this constant factor and prove that it converges to 1 doubly exponentially in $q$ and improves with the degree of the polynomial used in Newton-Schulz for approximating the orthogonalization direction. We also prove that Muon removes the typical square-root-of-rank loss compared to its vector-based counterpart, SGD with momentum. Our results explain why Muon with a few low-degree Newton-Schulz steps matches exact-polar (SVD) behavior at a much faster wall-clock time and explain how much momentum matrix orthogonalization via Newton-Schulz benefits over the vector-based optimizer. Overall, our theory justifies the practical Newton-Schulz design of Muon, narrowing its practice-theory gap.