The Download: OpenAI's future research, and US climate regulation is under threat

But Altman is not the one building the technology on which its reputation rests. That responsibility falls to OpenAI's twin heads of research--chief research officer Mark Chen and chief scientist Jakub Pachocki. Between them, they share the role of making sure OpenAI stays one step ahead of powerhouse rivals like Google. I recently sat down with Chen and Pachocki for an exclusive conversation which covered everything from how they manage the inherent tension between research and product, to what they really mean when they talk about AGI, to what happened to OpenAI's superalignment team. I also wanted to get a sense of where their heads are at in the run-up to OpenAI's biggest product release in months: GPT-5.