The recent success of Shampoo in the AlgoPerf contest has sparked renewed interest in Kronecker-factorization-based optimization algorithms for training neural networks. Despite its success, Shampoo relies heavily on several heuristics such as learning rate grafting and stale preconditioning to achieve performance at-scale. These heuristics increase algorithmic complexity, necessitate further hyperparameter tuning, and lack theoretical justification. This paper investigates these heuristics from the angle of Frobenius norm approximation to full-matrix Adam and decouples the preconditioner's eigenvalues and eigenbasis updates. We show that grafting from Adam mitigates the staleness and mis-scaling of the preconditioner's eigenvalues and how correcting the eigenvalues directly eliminates the need for learning rate grafting. To manage the error induced by infrequent eigenbasis computations, we propose an adaptive criterion for determining the eigenbasis computation frequency motivated by terminating a warm-started QR algorithm. This criterion decouples the update frequency of different preconditioner matrices and enables us to investigate the impact of approximation error on convergence. These practical techniques offer a principled angle towards removing Shampoo's heuristics and developing improved Kronecker-factorization-based training algorithms.

Several recently introduced deep learning optimizers utilizing matrix-level preconditioning have shown promising speedups relative to the current dominant optimizer AdamW, particularly in relatively small-scale experiments. However, efforts to validate and replicate their successes have reported mixed results. To better understand the effectiveness of these optimizers at scale, in this work we investigate how to scale preconditioned optimizers via hyperparameter transfer, building on prior works such as µP. We study how the optimal learning rate and weight decay should scale with model width and depth for a wide range of optimizers, including Shampoo, SOAP, and Muon, accounting for the impact of commonly used techniques such as blocking and grafting. We find that scaling the learning rate according to µP improves transfer, but can still suffer from significant finite-width deviations that cause drifting optimal learning rates, which we show can be mitigated by blocking and explicit spectral normalization. For compute-optimal scaling, we find scaling independent weight decay as 1/width is nearly optimal across optimizers. Applying these scaling rules, we show Muon, SOAP and Shampoo consistently achieve near 1.4 speedup over AdamW for training Llama-architecture language models of sizes ranging from 190M to 1.4B, whereas the speedup vanishes rapidly with scale under incorrect scaling. Based on these results and further ablations, we argue that studying optimal hyperparameter transfer is essential for reliably comparing optimizers at scale given a realistic tuning budget.

Training deep neural networks is a structured optimization problem, because the parameters are naturally represented by matrices and tensors rather than by vectors. Under this structural representation, it has been widely observed that gradients are low-rank and Hessians are approximately block diagonal. These structured properties are crucial for designing efficient optimization algorithms, but are not utilized by many current popular optimizers like Adam. In this paper, we present a novel optimization algorithm ASGO that capitalizes on these properties by employing a preconditioner that is adaptively updated using structured gradients. By a fine-grained theoretical analysis, ASGO is proven to achieve superior convergence rates compared to existing structured gradient methods. Based on this convergence theory, we further demonstrate that ASGO can benefit from low-rank gradients and block diagonal Hessians. We also discuss practical modifications of ASGO and empirically verify ASGO's effectiveness on language model tasks.

Preconditioned optimizers are central to language model training, but their stochastic update rules are usually treated as direct approximations to population preconditioned descent. We show that this view misses two finite-sample biases. First, the gradient and preconditioner are typically estimated from the same minibatch, introducing gradient--preconditioner coupling bias. Second, even when the preconditioner estimate is unbiased, its inverse or inverse-root is generally biased because inversion is nonlinear. We propose a single-batch bias-correction framework that addresses both effects: cross-fitted preconditioning estimates the numerator and preconditioner from independent microbatch groups, while variance-corrected inversion uses microbatch variability to subtract the leading delta-method bias term. The framework applies to diagonal moment, diagonal curvature, and matrix preconditioning methods, instantiated in AdamW, Sophia, and Shampoo. Bias correction reduces held-out pretraining loss on Qwen2.5-0.5B by $0.15$, $0.07$, and $0.11$ nats, respectively; the effects on mixed-quality pretraining and downstream instruction tuning are consistently neutral-to-positive. Together, these results establish bias correction as a practical mechanism for reducing finite-sample update bias and improving the performance of preconditioned optimizers.

Thus, diagonal preconditioning methods remain popular.