The two people shaping the future of OpenAI's research

I sat down with Chen and Pachocki for an exclusive conversation during a recent trip the pair made to London, where OpenAI set up its first international office in 2023. We talked about how they manage the inherent tension between research and product. We also talked about why they think coding and math are the keys to more capable all-purpose models; what they really mean when they talk about AGI; and what happened to OpenAI's superalignment team, set up by the firm's cofounder and former chief scientist Ilya Sutskever to prevent a hypothetical superintelligence from going rogue, which disbanded soon after he quit. In particular, I wanted to get a sense of where their heads are at in the run-up to OpenAI's biggest product release in months: GPT-5. Reports are out that the firm's next-generation model will be launched in August.