We sat down with Douglas Guillbault to discuss his paper, " Comparing Colorseeing, Colorblind, Painters, and Large Language Models in Their Processing of Color Metaphors ". The results have interesting implications for how we model human cognition, and in turn, how the concept of synaesthesia could be integrated to develop more intelligent AI models. A color metaphor is the use of color to describe something in a way that is not immediately literal. For example, to say "green with envy" would be a color metaphor, because envy doesn't have an immediate visual structure to it - we're evoking a broader, more flexible notion of what green conveys, beyond just its visible properties. What makes metaphors very interesting is that they often use past experience or cultural associations in new ways to talk about something beyond our current perception - either something imagined or in the future, which are many steps of abstraction away from the present. Metaphors provide an alternative pathway to get there.